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Wednesday, November 09, 2005

"Disaffected Youths"

If you haven't read Mark Steyn's column, Wake Up, Europe, You've a War On Your Hands, you are missing out.

By the way, it isn't "disaffected youths" rioting. It is organized Muslim thugs. That wouldn't fly in Pike County, KY. There would be five dead thugs from gunfire the first night, and it would have ended there. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment!


  • Clearly some folks need a ticket back to Algeria, where I am sure life would be SO MUCH better....

    By Blogger STAG, at 11/09/2005 11:39:00 PM  

  • Riiiight...

    One snippet for you - in France, unlike most other countries, children born in France aren't necessarily French citizens. If your parents are foreign, you don't get French citizenship until you're 18. So, if the "foreign" rioters were "sent home", it would mean lots of teenagers who were born in France and who've never left France in their lives being sent to coutries their parents chose to leave. Sound fair? Would it sound fair if we substituted "USA" for "France"?

    And Hammer - good to hear to keeping your comments as far from religious bigotry as possible. I generally expect better from you!

    pax et bonum

    By Blogger John, at 11/10/2005 04:13:00 AM  

  • Wait - where was I bogoted? The rioters are akmost exclusively Muslims, and rioters are thugs. Which part of those two facts are bigoted? They are not thugs because they are Muslims, nor are they Muslims because they are thugs. The terms are noeither coniditonal nor mutualy exclusive.

    Also note that my Pike County reference did not mention Muslim thugs - just thugs. I don't think there are any Muslims in Pike County, KY! These thugs were no different than rioting thugs in LA some years back.

    By Blogger Hammertime, at 11/10/2005 10:34:00 AM  

  • Moving so facilely from "people are rioting" to "muslim thugs" plays too easily to the bigot market, that's the point. There is a whole raft of steps there in the middle that you missed out. Not least is establishing that their being Muslim is in any way relevant - their grievances (such as they were in the beginning) were not religious. It's the social grouping that is the issue here. The original article you quoted is staggeringly ill informed about the nature of Europe. This violence (while reprehensible) isn't the start of a "Eurabian war". It's just violence. We've dealt with it before, we'll deal with it again.

    And, from a non-US perspective, suggesting that simply killing the rioters is a good solution seems to be..shall we say a little violent in itself?

    pax et bonum

    By Blogger John, at 11/10/2005 03:48:00 PM  

  • The writer is European. In fact, he is your countryman. Perhaps you are less diverse in your reading base than I thought.

    I doubt you ever said it, but I thought you were a guy who reads the equivalents of both National Review (right) and The New Republic (left). This is certain - you are as reasonably broad minded as anyone who does.

    I plead guilty to being an irritant to the "violence never solves anything" crowd. As it is, hasn't the French promised more money and government programs to the rioting areas? Violence solved something there.

    All thugs understand is a smack in the mouth. When they sit down, you can talk to them. I know, because I was one, and come from a family of thugs.

    Confession complete.

    By Blogger Hammertime, at 11/10/2005 04:41:00 PM  

  • Hmm. I have thought for ten second about what you said - "their grievances were not religious".

    What I was implying (and am now specifying) was that their actions are a result of a Muslim culture that glorifies violence and denigration of non-Muslims. Just as American culture's glamorization of violence makes it more prevalent, a religion that glorifies it while calling non-followers unworthy of life will also make it more prevalent.

    An odd fact, but relevant to the analogy I have made, is that the primary music selection in these Muslim/thug areas is gangsta rap - the congruence of violence and disrespect toward others is common in both. Neither originated in France...

    The problem isn't Muslims, just as the problem in the LA Riots wasn't blacks. The problem is the Muslim culture in France, as the problem was the urban black culture in the US.

    Such problems are not in evidence in Pike County or County Sligo.

    Anyway, I didn't think I had a bigot market to play to!

    By Blogger Hammertime, at 11/10/2005 04:52:00 PM  

  • Ummm..not to change the subject but are you from Pike County??Just curious living in eastern Kentucky myself and all.

    And for the record...I don't see anything bigoted about what you wrote at all.

    My husband has been blogging BTW,here is his addy:

    I always enjoy your blog!

    By Blogger Skooter, at 11/14/2005 08:18:00 PM  

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